I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. I also have two stelliums in the 11th and 12th of my natal chart.a total of 8 planets (6 in Leo). 12th House Meaning. Jupiter Rx in the 7th in Leo. They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. A recent class in assassins revealed that the victims often had many planets in the shooters 12th house. Two sides of the same coin. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. Look at what sign the 12th house is in. Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. North Node conjuncts Desc. Thank you very much. . what can we do here? Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. Hi Dawn, are you able to give me anymore insight or know where I might find more information about 12th house stellium in cancer planets are sun,moon,Mercury and Venus in my husband and my composite chart. Telepathy, visiting one another out of body, lucid dreaming where they communicate with one another, strange psychic links and melding of the two energetic bodies. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. The twelfth house is about vocation, our divine calling, and is a very different energy from the status-oriented tenth. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). My english is not very good. Such a great article! I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. Lots of greetings from Serbia. This compo Pisces Lilith in house 12 falls on the exact degree of my natal Waldemath H58 , and she also falls on his natal antivertex. In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. Composite Venus in the 12th House. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? . however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". !! My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. Is there nothing better to hope for? . One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. Besides synastry, the twelfth house in a composite chart can also be telling when it comes to karmic relationships. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. Everything you said is so on point. venus+mars, etc. along with Juno. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. I feel sad about that. Because of the sensitivity of house cusps, I recommend using the Koch house system . we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. So sad! With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. Black Moon Lilith is the geometric point in the sky that marks the furthest point of the moon's orbit around the earth. HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. One or two aspects, especially in composite, do not carry the story. We are fated, but we are meant to part. There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. Lilith in 12th House: 5 Key Takeaways. It shapes the relationship between two persons. Of course, this can lead to overspending and a tendency to overvalue anything that is overindulgent and impractical, but the positive energy Jupiter brings will generally get you through it. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. Hes Gemini sun . One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. The person with the most crowded 12th house in history is Ann Margret, a Swedish born actor best known for her iconic Easy Rider bike scene and starring in Viva Los Vegas alongside Elvis Presley. hi dawn I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. Youre a poet of poets. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? Haunting I feel so helpless! I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. Thats for start. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. I dont know if he felt the same deep feelings but I know he was puzzled by the sex. I hope you are well during these strange and powerful times. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. Im from a country in southamerica. Am i trapping my self? The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. You can use this to your . P.S. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because theres not much difference between now and when I was single. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . Tendency to become a victim; cult of mystery; exploration of the suffering of others. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? Venus is the planet of love which makes him lovable by his likable behavior and persuasive way of talking. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. But thank you for helping me face reality. I do all these within a synastry consulation. The ego thing is very true. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. Yes There is a higher purpose to these relationships. He knows me better than I know myself at times. Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. In this relationship, you tend to agree to a no-obligation arrangement from the start. These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. Then we hurt each other. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. Because thats what it feels like! Lord knows I do drive myself crazy with lost love/unrequited love. In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. I will look into it. I read your article and its really touching! Im sorry to hear your story. You're hypersensitive to energy and emotions in your environment, including the collective, if Chiron is in the 12th House. Unable to forget it? However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. Hello, Skye. Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. Thank you for this series of articles! It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. WhiteLotus. However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. Its not special, its common. When there are clusters of planets there are no simple solutions. Hi annaMy feeling is that the word god is loaded, psychologically speaking. Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. Lilith in : 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th Lilith - astrology meaning Black Moon - Fascination and Denial Lilith is a fictional point - the second empty focal point of . . scares me a bit. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. Venus/Uranus is difficult in the composite, but it doesnt explain your obsession. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. Our situation was kind of complicated. what kind of compassion do you think can be generated from a composite mars in 12th house? One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. hi dawn. Lilith in the 12th house are really good at hiding their "lilith" nature and because of this they are usually popular. a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. We feel that very beautiful in our life! I am NOT usually like this. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. Lilith square . I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. 13 . (excuse my bad English) So beautifully written Dawn. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. Most of it is illusions I know.. Could I ask Your opinion? Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. so we find the True in each other. I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. This makes so much sense. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. so beautiful and so healing especially the last paragraph. Gilly. Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. Well, I m afraid I am precisely one of those people you talk about in the article , who experiment this weird illusion of being in telepathy with the unrequired love of their life. I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. When composite Lilith is placed in the eighth house of the composite chart, this makes the relationship between the two people very intense. Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. The I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. They represent different aspects of a relationship. What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? He literally proposed to me the night we met. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. Thank You so much for Your answer! Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. They rip the rug from under you every other day. The eight house is the house of Scorpio, and alongside the twelfth house is the most spiritual and mysterious. mercury and mercury conj. Our physical connection was addicting. Lilith in the Twelfth House of Astrology (Explained) June 3, 2022 by Wisdom Tavern. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! venus+mars, etc. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. Youre writing is inspired. In general, a composite Jupiter in the second house makes a couple value a life lived on the grandest scale possible. This last chance element, sadly, often leads us to relationships that are destined to exist only to fix this thingwhen the lesson is learned, both these people move on. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. . (Because the moon's orbit is elliptical, it has two center . The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. Mercury in the first is a good aspect to have because of the communication involved and the ability to think clearly regarding the relationship. It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned.