As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. I was taught that I needed to let God change him. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). 1. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. I had my part. WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. BUT, there is good news! The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. All I do is reply to comments. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! Plus they pray to the saints. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. 16 Blind guides! Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I dont see how. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. 10. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. No one knew about the marriage except us. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). LOL. Im not IFB but I still believe in tithes and offerings. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). 17. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. Much to their horror, they could not find a church that had a Wednesday night service anywhere in the area. 4. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. 9. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. hypocrite. Its the inspired word of God. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. Does the lord convict me when I miss? The two are completely unrelated. 8. They have distinct responsibilities and operations. 52. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Did you read it? Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. Thats sweet. 8. JUDAH. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. Is there any perfect , no. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. I truly dont understand this one, ha! Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: around the world wherever our Lord directs. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. You are correct! 9 And dont address anyone here on earth as Father, for only God in heaven is your Father. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. G.F.F. But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. What sorrow awaits you! You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. Great job adding a bit of levity! or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. 7. I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. Hypocrites! Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. We will never attain that on this side. His son a child murderer. An independent Baptist Missionary (24 years in Romania) has posted a site The Laymans Biblical Handbook. More than 200 doctrines at http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/ Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. . (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. They had made an idol out of church attendance. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. This is the first and great commandment. The membership My jabs are defensive in nature. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? (2 Cor. If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. N/A The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. 50. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. 22. Do you find them so humorous ? If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. I have no opinion on this Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. They said no mixed bathing. 2. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). We cant save people, only God can. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. 1 John 1:9 And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. Duh Get your mind out of the gutter. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. Sons of vipers! If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? 24 Blind guides! And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical 29. 36. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Jesus forgave me and Im going to choose to forgive others regardless if they want it. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! God Bless. Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. 33 Snakes! If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. 11. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. 42. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. I forgave through the example of Jesus. A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). You might be an independent Fundamental Baptist if. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. What a stupid thing to say. It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the Neither should control the other. If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. You might God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. As far as tithing is concerned, the people who do tithe, it should be because they tithe because they want to. No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website.